Redd: Hello and welcome to Fiverrcast, the official Fiverr podcast for sellers, by sellers. My name is Redd. You can find me on Fiverr as Reddhorrocks.Adam: And I’m Adam where you can find me at Twistedweb123. Today we are joined by a rather unique guest which is Professorpuppet. Welcome to the show Professor Puppet.Mark [as Professor Hans Von Puppet]: Hello Adam! It’s wonderful to be here. I’m a great fan of your show.Adam: It’s great to have you on.Mark [as Professor Hans Von Puppet]: Oh, it’s my great pleasure. Thank you very much.Adam: So why don’t you tell us a little bit about yourself today?Mark [as Professor Hans Von Puppet]: I’m Professor Hans Von Puppet. I am what you might call a YouTube personality. I’ve got a channel on YouTube called Professor Puppet where I do all kinds of commentary and educational content and comedy and kind of body talk show sort of segments and interviews and things like that and I’m also a Fiverr seller.I’ve been on Fiverr since almost the very beginning of Fiverr, making little videos for people for their birthdays and for commercials and for all sorts of things. I’ve introduced people at conferences. I did a whole award show in the Middle East via video that I was the host of. I gave all the awards away. That was quite complicated.Mostly what I do is sort of ads and commercial stuff for people on Fiverr and I’ve done about 8000 videos on Fiverr if you can believe it.Redd: Well, thank you so much for joining us Professor Puppet. You are a great person for us to have on today because today we’re talking about boosting your sales with YouTube and how YouTube can be used as a tool including promotion to help your Fiverr business regardless of what category in Fiverr you sell on.Mark [as Professor Hans Von Puppet]: Ah, yes, indeed. I have a great – in fact, I only got on Fiverr in the first place in an effort to expand my audience on YouTube. So whenever I sell a video on Fiverr, in the little copy and paste text that I send along, there’s a link there to my YouTube channel. So if you like this video, you’re going to like all of this as well and it kind of works both ways. But it’s all very complicated for me. I’m really just a talent here. I want to bring in my producer Mark W. Gray if that’s all right. Can I get him for you?Redd: Absolutely. We would love to meet him.Mark [as Professor Hans Von Puppet]: All right, hang on. Mark! Can you – there’s a – it’s a podcast. No, it’s like radio but it’s in an iPod which is like an iPhone. OK. All right. He’s coming. Hang on.Mark: Hi! It’s me Mark! Hi. How are you doing?Redd: Hi Mark!Mark: Hi!Adam: Hi!Mark: It’s nice to see you guys.Redd: Welcome to the show. It was really great to meet Professor Puppet. He speaks very highly of you.Mark: Oh, he’s a scamp. I love the guy. He’s fantastic. Yeah. No, I’ve been doing Professor Puppet for a long time, for about five years now I think and I got on YouTube with him right about the same time as Fiverr started. So my YouTube career and my Fiverr career started almost to the month at the same time. It has been sort of a parallel growth really.I’m a cinematographer by trade. I’ve shot about a dozen feature films and a bunch of TV shows. I went to film school at USC. I’ve taught film school at USC. I come from like a showbiz background and one of my – I have a friend who’s an AD, assistant director, on a couple of films I worked on and like everyone else in Hollywood, we’re usually unemployed.So we were talking about how to make some money and then he, my friend Jeremy Schwartz this AD, told me about this new thing called Fiverr where people could do things for $5. What could we possibly do for $5 that will be worth our time? I went and looked and there were all these puppets doing videos on Fiverr and I thought, well, I have a puppet who’s much better than any of these puppets. I’ve got a nicer camera and all that. Let’s see if I can make some money with this.So I put the Gig on Fiverr – started with just a webcam. Kind of a nice webcam but still just a Logitech webcam. Everything was just $5 back then and I – it took off pretty much right away and within a couple of months, I think I was a top-rated seller right when they started doing that.Redd: So Mark, why don’t you tell us a little bit about just a brief overview of how you feel that YouTube works in relation to marketing for you?Mark: Well, as far as – to me it’s a two-way street because every video that I deliver on Fiverr has a link in the text that I send to my YouTube channel. So just go check out my YouTube channel and then – and also every video that I do on Fiverr usually if they don’t write this in, I add it in. It starts with, “Hello my friends! I’m Professional Hans Von Puppet!”So there are thousands of videos with the name of my character at the beginning of them, advertising all kinds of things all over the world. OK? So to me, Fiverr is really the engine putting my name out there to promote the character on YouTube more than the other way around.But as my YouTube audience gets bigger, I get better known as that and then they find out that they can order a custom video by this character that they like and I get a lot of videos that way as well. I know a lot of –bigger YouTubers – I really think that as a bigger YouTuber, they would have a great time like delivering stuff for their fans and a much higher rate of pay than you get just by having YouTube views because really, I did a whole video about this, which you can find on my channel called How Much Do YouTubers Make?Professor Puppet breaks down in great detail the math or maths as you English people would say of how you get paid based on advertising from your YouTube views. It works out to about a buck and a half per thousand views on YouTube, which is not great. I mean you’ve really got to get thousands and thousands and thousands of views to get any spendable currency.However, you can spend two minutes making a video that you’re going to get $4 from just like that, without any blood, sweat or tears, just by making it. So if you’ve got the skills to do a YouTube video, it certainly pays to apply the same skills to Fiverr if in fact what you’re after is a little bit of income.Adam: So that’s quite a unique perspective to look at that in that way because often when you say to people on Fiverr about using YouTube to boost their sales, the first thing they kind of say is, “Well, I’m not a video seller,” or “I don’t really do anything audio that I can put on a video.” But what you’re saying actually, rather than YouTube as a way to monetize, it’s actually a lot better to use it as a tool to help build up something different or something else and different revenue stream.Mark: Well, I think YouTube is the future. YouTube is growing into the wellspring of all media really. Like anyone who does anything is pretty much doing it on YouTube and there’s a massive, massive audience on YouTube.There are over a thousand YouTube channels that have over a million subscribers each, which is stunning and that’s a great living if you can get to that level on YouTube. A lot of things that people do with their skills on Fiverr may in fact be applicable to putting them on YouTube. So if you’re doing drawings let’s say, why not put a little camera on your table and just put your drawing process on YouTube? There are a handful of really popular YouTubers who do exactly that, who do time lapse videos of their drawings.People love watching that stuff. It’s amazing – you would be shocked what people watch on YouTube. In fact one of the biggest segments on YouTube is un-boxing, where people just open toys and talk about the toys they’re opening. There are people who have – making serious money.I have a friend who has a channel. What he really does is open Hot Wheels cars and play with Hot Wheels cars and he’s making $50,000 a month. I don’t know how he does it. That would be kind of mind-boggling to me. I don’t know how he would make 10 videos a month about Hot Wheels cars. But that’s the guy’s passion.So pretty much whatever you’re really into, like you Adam, I don’t know if you do a YouTube – have a YouTube presence. You’re quite the authority on SEO and stuff like that. You could create videos very simply with a webcam while you’re describing your processes of doing SEO and things like that. I don’t know if you want to give away your many wizard-like secrets but you can give away some of them to tantalize the YouTube audience and then link them to your YouTube – to your Fiverr Gigs, to make some more scratch out of it.Adam: Yeah. I’ve dabbled in a few YouTube videos but I have – it’s not something I’ve really put a lot of effort into, but it’s something I definitely want to do more in the future. But I mean I myself have come – you know, been on YouTube and come across – well, I find myself watching things that I didn’t even expect to watch and being really kind of engaged with them. I mean one thing I came across the other day was someone doing custom DJ loops which is actually becoming quite a popular service on Fiverr.Mark: Oh, yeah.Adam: And it wasn’t actually the finished loop or the finished article that I was listening to as an audio track. It was someone recording the screen of how they were mixing it together and instantly, that drew me in and it made me really engaged in that content and if that was a service they actually provided, I probably would have been sold off of that alone.Mark: Oh, sure. There are all kinds of evergreen content. I’ve done a lot myself with just screen capture. It’s like how to do certain things on Photoshop. Like I made a – like I have really nice thumbnails on my YouTube videos, which is a little picture you click on to watch the video. I’ve made a couple of videos about how to make thumbnails and that’s sort of content. It’s not like talking about Donald Trump or telling jokes or doing a sketch. It’s evergreen.Even though that takes zero production value, it’s just a screen capture of what you’re doing and a microphone to pick up your voice, that can really generate a lot of views and then again if you tag it properly and do the right promotion at the end, it can send people to hire you to do that very thing that you’re demonstrating.Adam: So then one of the best leading videos that a Fiverr seller could actually look into then is using a screen capture type software with there being many freely available online, where they basically – they record the screen of a sort of service they’re offering or what they’re doing and then go ahead and publish that. So they don’t need to worry about having an HD camera or anything along these lines or recording themselves as a presentation. They’re just basically recording what they’re doing and putting that out there on YouTube.Mark: Yeah, it’s really pretty straightforward. There’s actually – I use a piece of software. It’s not free actually. It’s called ScreenFlow where you can record two screens at once. You can record your screen. It’s really kind of a complex piece of software and you can go in and edit your screen capture and zoom in and out on different things to really illustrate your technique for whatever.But yeah, I think there’s – there are probably also free versions out there. So – and the thing is about YouTube, it’s 100 percent free to put anything you want on YouTube and there’s really no downside to it at all. People stumble across stuff all the time.Now people don’t – if you put something on that no one wants, it might not get clicked on. But if you manage to put the right words in the tags and in the title and the description to help people find it, they’re going to find it. There are best practices which you can find on YouTube about the SEO of YouTube and how to get people to see your videos and that’s actually very important.So when you put your let’s say drawing video on YouTube, you will want to put in the tags “drawing,” “time lapse,” “speed draw,” “draw,” like every permutation of the word that someone might be looking for. “How to” is an important phrase to stick in there.If you call something How to Make Money on YouTube, people will click it and after they watch another video about how to make money on YouTube, that video will pop up after it for example. So if you have a YouTube Gig or if you have a Fiverr Gig that somehow would help someone make money on YouTube, you could describe it in this YouTube video. That would be another cross-promotional tool you could use.Adam: See, that makes a lot of sense because especially with YouTube being owned by Google. The search trends now are people will often search for a question as opposed to specific terms. So rather than search for “improve my website,” they would search for how do I or how to improve my website or how to draw this or how to draw that as opposed to just drawing as an example.So I think that really – that’s a good point to mention that it kind of goes hand in hand that you should kind of put yourself in the viewer’s shoes and think about what they’re looking for, what they’re searching for and kind of tailor your video to that as opposed to being very literal and here it is. You want to tailor it to what they’re searching for.Mark: Yeah, indeed, and also videos get extra credit versus text when it comes to Google searches. So if someone searches for “how do I make a cake,” at the very top of that search result is going to be a couple of videos about how to make a cake and if you have made a video that answers the exact question they’ve asked, you’re more likely to pop up higher on Google.Now Fiverr Gigs are probably searched or indexed on Google but not with anything like that level of dominance. You’re the SEO expert. Tell me if I’m wrong. But I think if you have a video about something, that automatically is going to rate higher in a search than just some text about it.Adam: Usually yes, but the thing that I would say makes it stand out more than anything is YouTube videos appear directly inside the search.Mark: Right.Adam: So sometimes on the website, they will have a video and it will show inside the Google search results but it will show as an image or a thumbnail. But on the YouTube version inside Google, there will be an actual play button and it’s formatted to be something you click and it stands out more. So even if it isn’t necessarily right at the top and it’s a couple down, it still is the most call to action, stand-out element of that page by far.Mark: Right, that’s my point. Yeah, videos are attractive to people because – and they’re helpful. I’ve literally Googled stuff and not found any results about how to do something and then just looked on YouTube and searched there and found the arcane detail that I was looking for about how to fix my drone copter or something.Redd: I have a lay person’s question about this. So – and I’m sorry if I’m getting us a little off topic here. But like when you’re putting a video up and someone is going to use – someone is going to be finding that in a search and you’re typing in for example “how to bake a cake,” does that mean that – what is it about in that video that anchors in the text you’re searching for to the video topic? Is it tags? Is it the title of the video?Mark: Yeah, it’s all of those things. Every video has a title, has a description and has a bunch of sort of comma space tags in there. So you can actually – when you build your YouTube channel, you can set defaults to automatically put a handful of tags and a basic description on there on everything you post. So before I even get in there and edit it, it’s all automatically there.But yeah, like you could have a link to your Fiverr Gig that will automatically post to all of your YouTube channels. So you don’t have to keep copying and pasting it in there. But yeah, you would put – you would call it “how to bake a cake”. Like I made one called – I think I made a cake shaped like a ukulele and I made a video about that just because I thought, well, that would be fun. I used some different techniques that I thought I liked.So yeah, in the text I put “cake,” “ukulele,” “bake,” “how to,” “funny,” “comedy,” and all the different words that might lead you to that. Like I said, there are best practices. There are actually quite a few resources on YouTube that teach you all this stuff about how to have a successful YouTube channel.Now you’ve already gone to this trouble to build a business on Fiverr. Do you want to build a business on YouTube as well? It’s sort of the same thing. It’s like do you want to have a postal address and an email address? You need both to do business and to me it’s really – we’re all entrepreneurs here. We’re all reinventing the wheel and we’re not working in offices. We’re not having anyone telling us when to show up or anything. We have to take that sort of initiative on ourselves and do all these things to expand our income as much as possible.Adam: So we’ve talked about kind of like the best practices and where we can go to – see how we can improve the videos that we’re posting and maybe improve the views and the engagement along those lines. But is there any kind of advice that you would recommend against doing? For example I often seen on popular videos people will post things like “Check out my channel. Check out my video,” and for me that seems a little bit spammy. So is there anything you kind of say don’t do this or try to avoid doing this?Mark: Yeah, that’s the worst. I mean I read in a book about how to do YouTube several years ago that engagement is very important and one of the things you should do is watch other people’s videos and comment on them because then that – people will see you. They will see your comment. They will click on your face. They will go to your channel and they will engage with you on that level.Now that works but it doesn’t work automatically. You got to do it from the heart. I found as I get to be a bigger YouTuber, when I make a comment on somebody’s channel that’s very popular, it will get likes and it will get responses. It will get answers but only if it’s the real deal. If you post, “If you like this, you like my videos, please check out my channel,” or “Hey, sub for sub.” I will check – that is the worst sin of spamming to a YouTuber like me unless your video literally is an answer or literally has something to do with that video that someone might really get something out of.Adam: So rather than spend the time kind of putting or pasting that link all over YouTube, it would be much better to spend the time working on or improving on your videos in relation to other videos you see and then looking for that kind of connection or that cross-promotion, so that you can actually – rather than spend an hour posting hundreds of comments, you can spend 30 minutes making a video, post one or two comments in a related area and receive a much higher return of views or engagement on your channel.Mark: Yeah, absolutely. Absolutely. If you do some kind of craft that you’re selling on YouTube, like you’re knitting little bunnies or something, maybe you have a video of how to knit little bunnies and then that – people will find that and that will link to your page.One trick I’ve done is I bought the URL of ppFiverr.com for Professor Puppet on Fiverr. So I can put that anywhere. It’s easy to remember. There’s no HTML slash nonsense I need. Just ppFiverr.com. That will get you to my page of all my Gigs. So if you can – that’s a clever kind of link that you can create to take people straight to your Gigs without having to go back and find the link. They can just remember you and find it that way. That’s just part of the branding package I think.Adam: Yeah, I’ve got a Twistedweb123.me.Mark: Oh, yeah.Adam: It isn’t as catchy but it’s still my username but that redirects to my Fiverr profile as well which makes it very easy to market anywhere really offsite because rather than giving like a subdomain with all the slashes like you say, you can just throw out the domain name.Mark: Yeah, yeah, yeah. That’s what? Like ten bucks a year or something? It’s totally worth it.Adam: So I actually read somewhere in recent times that a lot of the success of a YouTube video now doesn’t necessarily just depend on the views but it depends on how long people are watching those videos for. So if someone has like an hour long video and someone watches one minute, that isn’t going to help as much as if someone had a 30-second video and they watched the whole thing.Mark: Well, sort of. There’s such a thing as watch time. That’s the metric that they keep and also engagement, which has to do – which is sort of the up and coming metric which has to do with commenting and all that.There’s a little counter in the corner that says how many views something has and in old days, there were these girls called the “response girls”. They were just girls with big boobs who would just make a video every day about whatever the daily headline was. Like if it were today, they would say, “Oh, Donald Trump wins the primary,” and there would be this hot girl. So the thumbnail was just a hot girl and people would click on it.But they didn’t really care about what she was talking about. So they would click off or they would – that kind of engagement didn’t really count. You’ve heard of PewDiePie. He’s like the top YouTuber in the world. He has got like 41 million subscribers. OK?He plays videogames. He’s the Swedish dude who shouts to the screen and is quite charming in his way but if you’re not a 13-year-old boy, it’s kind of hard to get what is so appealing about him. But he got to the top by making these longer videos, like 10, 20-minute long videos, of videogame play which most people who don’t watch that would say, “Why on earth would anyone watch anyone else play a videogame?”But to people who do watch it, it’s completely engaging and once they’re in there, it delivers exactly what it has promised and they stick with it and they will watch for 20 minutes and that kind of engagement, that level of connection, that amount of watch time propelled him up into the – it made his videos appear higher in the search.Like after you watch a video, YouTube does its best to guess what you want to see next. Based off of that video, what you’ve watched before, what you subscribed to and it will serve up a little array of thumbnails of things that it really thinks you’re going to want to watch. So if you’ve just spent 10 minutes watching a videogame video, it’s going to show you a bunch of other long videos about videogames and you hit one of those and pretty soon, it snowballs and that’s how PewDiePie and a lot of these other gamers have really grown to the top because of their unique format of just long videogame play.It’s not that it tricked the system but the system as it was designed gave a lot of credit to that and that’s so – it’s easy for those gamers to grow fast. But it’s a mystery. It’s a moving target. Like right now, they just invented YouTube Red, which is a monthly service where you pay $10 a month and you don’t get any ads at all on YouTube, which I think is wonderful. I subscribe to that myself.So I would never see a pre-roll ad, never see an ad in front of the video or anything else. Then as somebody who earns money on YouTube, I make money based on watch time of people who have paid that as well.Adam: So basically the simplified rule if you like about that is it’s not so much about the duration of the video. It’s about keeping them engaged for that duration. So a good way to kind of summarize that is a speed drawing video that may take you let’s say three hours to draw. It isn’t probably going to engage you for three hours if it was played at normal speed whereas where they condense it down and cut out the fluff and they brought it down to about 10 minutes, that whole video is then engaging and that’s going to see a lot more benefit than uploading the whole three-hour video.Mark: Oh, absolutely.Adam: Talking about the engagement that we touched upon, we said previously that fishing for views in the subscribers, et cetera, on other people’s videos is pretty much a no-go unless you’re actually related to it. Now is it a good practice for us inside the video to ask people to like the video, subscribe to the channel and kind of engage with us? Is that an OK thing to do?Mark: Oh, absolutely. That’s bona fide engagement. That’s what makes YouTube different than television is that YouTubers are listening to the audience. Television is not listening to the audience unless they listen to the ratings, which is such an imperfect metric.But when I make a video, people comment on it and I immediately read those comments and see them and I take them seriously. I mean the spammy ones and just the mean ones you can just ignore but mostly they’re very nice or they ask pointed questions that you can then address in other videos and I’ve made this before where I throw the question up on the screen and answer it from a previous video and that – it’s like hearing your name on the radio. People get really turned on by that and really connected to you.There’s a guy named Jack Douglass who makes a series called YIAY, Yesterday I Asked You, Y-I-A-Y, and he says some really simple questions like – I don’t know. What’s Christmas in four words? And then people write – he literally gets 30,000 responses to that and then all those people who wrote responses tune in the next day to see if he used one of their jokes and it’s a very funny show and it’s just a real brilliant use of that exact kind of engagement of connecting with the audience, asking them for something and getting them to be personally invested in it.The more you could connect an answer, that’s like another great tip for beginning YouTubers is answer all of your comments. If someone says, “Hey, great video,” you write them back, “Hey, thanks for watching,” because that sort of cements that bond between you more than it would for someone who you didn’t do that with. So yeah, that kind of talk, telling people to like and subscribe is – it’s almost de facto. Everyone just says like and subscribe now but actually creating your content that is inherently interactive or you ask for input from the audience or address the input they’ve already given you is – it’s very valuable.Adam: So coming back to the speed drawing Gig as an example then, if at the end of it you ask them, “What would you like me to draw next? Comment below.”Mark: Oh, yeah.Adam: So if they were intrigued in that, then you’re going to hope to get the engagement from that. It’s going to boost up the amount of people commenting, bring up the video more and then if that’s all tied back to your Gig on Fiverr, you should hopefully receive the benefit from that.Mark: Oh, sure. Yeah, yeah. But then – it’s true. What am I trying to say? That’s absolutely going to work. If you look at something like epic rap battles of history, every video they have starts with like 50 comments popping up showing that – the suggestion that people have made for the video they’re about to show you and that sort of loop is inherent. A small loyal audience could be just as valuable as a huge sort of less connected audience.Adam: Well, yeah, and in relation to Fiverr, let’s say for example you upload a video. It gets let’s say 100 views and you convert one person from that. That person could convert, be happy and then tell someone in their life about the service that they received. One of their friends ends up ordering and before you know it, that little video you put up there, you didn’t think it was doing that well, could have bought five or six orders which was a much higher price than the time you invested in creating the video in the first place.Mark: Absolutely. Yeah, absolutely. That’s the thing. Stuff doesn’t have to be perfectly polished or brilliant to be on YouTube. There is zero barrier to entry and in fact the more – not rough, but the more, I don’t know, homemade stuff appears on YouTube, is the more legit it seems and people …Adam: Rustic.Mark: Exactly, people connect to it more because it feels real.Redd: So coming back to – you mentioned that you have a few videos that relate to your Fiverr service just in general. Can you tell us how you use YouTube to steer buyers towards getting information that you feel they need in order to work with you?Mark: Oh, absolutely. That’s the – if you’re going to like highlight the news you could use in this whole rant, that’s it. Like I have videos that explain everything that I do on Fiverr and they’re posted on YouTube. It might be unlisted on YouTube. So you have to have the link but I have one called The Fiverr FAQ where Professor Puppet explains in great detail all the different upgrades people can get, how much time things take, what they have to send me, what they can expect, what I won’t do, all those sort of provisions and 99 out of 100 questions someone sends me before they order can be answered if they just watch this five-minute video.So in fact, I have a little automatic response in my responses on Fiverr which is my favorite newish feature on Fiverr and it says this video should answer all of your questions and then the link and then thanks.Redd: So what you’re saying is I can hire Professor Puppet to explain all my policies to my clients?Mark: Absolutely!Redd: I think that’s a really great thing.Mark: Yeah. You write a script and I will tell – I will do it. But I mean you could do it more charmingly than Professor Puppet I’m sure because it’s – again, it’s like the YouTube thing. It’s about connection. It’s not a generic piece of boilerplate. It’s straight from the heart. It’s you telling your clients this is what the deal is.Redd: So Mark, can you tell us a little bit about Fiverr resources for YouTubers that you found?Mark: Well, I have bought a lot of things on Fiverr that I use in my YouTube videos especially music, also some graphics. I’ve gotten graphics from “Draculafetus”. He’s a great cartoonist on YouTube, to draw Professor Puppet and which I then take those images and put them on T-shirts. Music mostly though. I bought theme songs from – let’s see here. Shiftypop. I have a theme from Shiftypop when I did Hans Vlogs Every Day in April which was pretty funny. I will try to play that for you here. Let’s see. Hold on. Here it comes. [Jingle music plays]Mark: So I did that one. I did VEDA which is Vlog Every Day in April. So I had her write me this “Hans vlogs every day in April.” But then after it was over, I wanted to use it again so I had to do “Hans vlogs once or twice a week” and then as an alternate, [jingle music plays]. Then I have this one [jingle music plays]. It just goes on like that and then I had her also make me an outro, just a music bed that I could play under my end screen which is just sort of the [outro music plays]. Like that music comes up at the end of all my videos and it loops. I can make it as long or as short as I want. These are incredible resources and also Ryan who did your theme song also made a theme song for me called – let’s see. I got a 30-second trailer for YouTube. Are you guys still with me?Redd: Yeah, we’re still here.Adam: Yeah.Mark: OK. I’m going to play – this is the trailer. I wrote the words for this in Ryan’s couplets. Then I gave it to Ryan and I think this might have been just a $5 song but then I think I gave him another $20 because I wanted it – because it was so awesome. Then I had him change the ending a little bit, double time the ending but here goes. [Theme song plays] So there you go.Redd: Very cool. Very cool.Adam: This is really awesome. Quite simple resource that we’re able to put together on a small budget but instantly increase the value of the videos that you’re posting. So really then YouTube and Fiverr together work really well because you can use YouTube to help boost your Fiverr sales and exposure. You can use Fiverr to help boost the branding and the exposure of your YouTube channel and then they both complement each other really well to help both kind of profiles on those platforms succeed.Mark: Yeah, a rising tide lifts all ships. I mean really, you should also be doing Instagram and Twitter and all the other social media and your Facebook page that all – everything links to everything else because not everybody looks at YouTube and not everybody looks at Instagram. Not everybody looks at Tumblr but everybody looks at something and all of those different things feed each other and that’s sort of what it’s like to be a modern entrepreneur I think. You’ve got to be always promoting and your cell phone and the magic of all these formats make it all possible.Redd: Well, I think that’s about all we have time for this week. So thank you so much to Mark for joining us. You can find him on Fiverr as Professorpuppet. Our jingle was made by Customdrumloops and we were edited today by Dansha. Thanks so much and we will see you next week.Transcription by: Transexpert
